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Stručnjak za sigurnost Željko Cvrtila objasnio je kako to da je i u aferi oko Janafa došlo do curenja informacija. U razgovoru za N1 objasnio je probleme koje zbog toga imaju svi oni nekompromitirani istražitelji MUP-a i USKOK-a, te kako tome doskočiti.
Željko Cvrtila je na početku objasnio koliko je ovakva istraga morala biti složena i iz niza smjerova:
"Ovakve akcije se provode više mjeseci, u nekim državama i više godina. Ovo je vjerojatno išlo s više mjera; od prisluškivanja, praćenja ljudi do moguće i informatora iznutra, iz samog sustava."
Voditeljica je navela da niz medija u Hrvatskoj donosi da je šef Janafa Dragan Kovačević informaciju o skorom uhićenju navodno dobio večer ranije, da je počeo sakrivati dokaze.
"To je nešto što često vidimo u ovakvim situacijama, da nam iscure informacije. Po meni se istraga još dugo i nije otkrila", kazao je.
Ako je osoba i dobila dojavu dan ranije, to, kaže on, nije više bilo tako bitno:
"Dan ranije neke stvari su se i mogle uništiti, ali ono što je policija do tada utvrdila, to se više nije moglo vratiti, to je na serverima MUP-a. Da tako kažem, to je 'zabetonirano'."
Kao problem je naveo više linije rukovođenja:
"Imamo najmanje dvije, tri linije, imamo preveliki broj ljudi upoznat s tim stvarima i onda je veća mogućnost da informacija iscuri i da bude doturena onome kojega istražuju."
Tu se onda postavlja pitanje kako to da se nikada ne otkrije tko je bio taj tko je odao informaciju.
"Unutarnja kontrola MUP-a i DORH-a morala bi ispitati sve koji su sudjelovali u istrazi ili su mogli imati informaciju, previše je rukovoditelja koji su upoznati na raznim razinama. Dovoljno vam je da netko ima podatak da će doći do uhićenja, ne moraju se znati niti detalji istrage, pa da nekome javi", objasnio je.
"Bilo je takvih istraga unutar sustava. Dođe se do situacije da morate primjenjivati poligrafska ispitivanja prema većini tih aktera i onda to kod samih istražitelja izazove jedan nemir, nelagodu, negodovanje. Ii oni ljudi koji nemaju veze s odavanjem informacija, osjećaju se povrijeđenima", kazao je Cvrtila.
Rekao je dalje da to zna narušavati istragu, "poljuljati ljude unutar sustava":
"Zato je najbolje da se ustroji sustav, kao što imamo na Zapadu, tako da što manje ljudi zna detalje istrage."
Za to što je Josipa Rimac pronašla "bubu" u svom automobilu Cvrtila je rekao da je teško vjerovati da ju je pronašla slučajno:
"Ili je bila dojava ili je iz nekog razloga bila oprezna, pa je periodički provjeravala prostore u kojima je boravila, uz pomoć ljudi koji to znaju pronaći."
Za najnoviju aferu Cvrtila je rekao da je istraga već otišla toliko daleko da niti dojava nije više mogla puno toga pokvariti:
"Kad krene ovaj javni dio istrage, jer do sada je bio tajni, zna se tko što radi, tu je teško bilo što izbjeći. Dokumentacija uglavnom bude na više mjesta pohranjena, na više mjesta slana, tada je to sve teško prikriti."
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Stručnjak za sigurnost Željko Cvrtila objasnio je kako to da je i u aferi oko Janafa došlo do curenja informacija. U razgovoru za N1 objasnio je probleme koje zbog toga imaju svi oni nekompromitirani istražitelji MUP-a i USKOK-a, te kako tome doskočiti.
Željko Cvrtila je na početku objasnio koliko je ovakva istraga morala biti složena i iz niza smjerova:
"Ovakve akcije se provode više mjeseci, u nekim državama i više godina. Ovo je vjerojatno išlo s više mjera; od prisluškivanja, praćenja ljudi do moguće i informatora iznutra, iz samog sustava."
Voditeljica je navela da niz medija u Hrvatskoj donosi da je šef Janafa Dragan Kovačević informaciju o skorom uhićenju navodno dobio večer ranije, da je počeo sakrivati dokaze.
"To je nešto što često vidimo u ovakvim situacijama, da nam iscure informacije. Po meni se istraga još dugo i nije otkrila", kazao je.
Ako je osoba i dobila dojavu dan ranije, to, kaže on, nije više bilo tako bitno:
"Dan ranije neke stvari su se i mogle uništiti, ali ono što je policija do tada utvrdila, to se više nije moglo vratiti, to je na serverima MUP-a. Da tako kažem, to je 'zabetonirano'."
Kao problem je naveo više linije rukovođenja:
"Imamo najmanje dvije, tri linije, imamo preveliki broj ljudi upoznat s tim stvarima i onda je veća mogućnost da informacija iscuri i da bude doturena onome kojega istražuju."
Tu se onda postavlja pitanje kako to da se nikada ne otkrije tko je bio taj tko je odao informaciju.
"Unutarnja kontrola MUP-a i DORH-a morala bi ispitati sve koji su sudjelovali u istrazi ili su mogli imati informaciju, previše je rukovoditelja koji su upoznati na raznim razinama. Dovoljno vam je da netko ima podatak da će doći do uhićenja, ne moraju se znati niti detalji istrage, pa da nekome javi", objasnio je.
"Bilo je takvih istraga unutar sustava. Dođe se do situacije da morate primjenjivati poligrafska ispitivanja prema većini tih aktera i onda to kod samih istražitelja izazove jedan nemir, nelagodu, negodovanje. Ii oni ljudi koji nemaju veze s odavanjem informacija, osjećaju se povrijeđenima", kazao je Cvrtila.
Rekao je dalje da to zna narušavati istragu, "poljuljati ljude unutar sustava":
"Zato je najbolje da se ustroji sustav, kao što imamo na Zapadu, tako da što manje ljudi zna detalje istrage."
Za to što je Josipa Rimac pronašla "bubu" u svom automobilu Cvrtila je rekao da je teško vjerovati da ju je pronašla slučajno:
"Ili je bila dojava ili je iz nekog razloga bila oprezna, pa je periodički provjeravala prostore u kojima je boravila, uz pomoć ljudi koji to znaju pronaći."
Za najnoviju aferu Cvrtila je rekao da je istraga već otišla toliko daleko da niti dojava nije više mogla puno toga pokvariti:
"Kad krene ovaj javni dio istrage, jer do sada je bio tajni, zna se tko što radi, tu je teško bilo što izbjeći. Dokumentacija uglavnom bude na više mjesta pohranjena, na više mjesta slana, tada je to sve teško prikriti."
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